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Thank you - yes I am very familiar with the classic 8 panel border Kraak design architecture - I collect Kraak ware and have several of these chargers. I was looking for the source for the first plate you posted that you said was original Chinese? Where is that from?
 I bought the pair of delft because I wanted to add Dutch examples of transmission to my collection and had never seen this particular architecture - with the very familiar bird on a rock motif but with 4 instead of 8 cartouches and the continuous distinct border, laid out more like a klapmuts bowl than a typical Kraak charger . Here are my plates shown with a Ming dynasty Chinese Klapmuts in between. 
 

Edit to add: I think I misunderstood you on the first plate you posted, as that looks like another example of my Dutch plate, and not a Chinese porcelain example. Do you have information on that plate? 

Amazing! Thank you so much! Do you have the source/date/ dimensions for the plate you posted? My plates are an almost exact copy which is incredible!