Jeff

Hello Edwin, thank you very much for the pictures, can you by any chance give the internet link ? There might be more info about the two latest dishes you were so kind to share photo's of.

For the people who would like the link of the first dish Edwin kindly shared see:

https://5058.sydneyplus.com/argus/final/Portal/Public.aspx?lang=en-US&p…

Then klik on search and type "delft".

Looking forward for your answer Edwin,

Kind regards,

Jeff

Dear Edwin,

Thx for sharing the information, my compliments! It is very helpfull!!!

If by any chance you know of other dishes with the same trellis-pattern decoration, can you place the link here?

Many Thx, 

Jeff

Thx Edwin, very convincing, Where did you find it, Book , title? Internetsource? Where is it, private or museum collection?

I was not able to find it. Please let me know.

Grts, Jeff

Dear R.L.A. Maes (sorry ✌️) , thx for your quick answer and I do respect your opinion., I feel also there is something to the dish, but I’m not able to put my finger on it (the wound) .

For the readers:  (I forgot, my apology)

*TBD: “Te Be Determined.” (For age and origin Delft-Amsterdam-Rotterdam-Haarlem or France, whether it is a original, a 18/19th c. copy or a fake, etc.)

1. The reasons why I put the dish on the site is :

      a) I’m not shure if it is a fake or not (see certainly TBD* above and point 2 and 3 below), because it is really  a unusual dish and maybe worth preserving iwith the propper accurate labeling.

      b) The hairline is NOT consolidated but it safes me some money if it is a fake.

      c) Fakes I allways destroy, there is no going back.

Are you really for 100% shure and certain this is a Fake???

2. I was not able to find other examples of “pancake” dishes with a yellow border, nor or in combination with that particular trellis-pattern.

3. Other observations are:

a) the sharp drawinglines for example of Abraham’s clothes and the sheep’s horns.

b) the point on the letter ‘n’.

c)  the yellow line over (up on) the white tin-glazed-border (a majolica technique). see below.

d) the calligraphy is different and seems modern when compared with the other dishes given in the links above.

4) At the moment for me, including the points mentioned above, I am not certain any of it is conclusive or proven. So R.L.A. Maes the question you are waiting for (knowing you, you have allready prepared one 😊): On what do you base your conclusion that this dish is a fake? Please elaborate and include controllable references, etc.

5) Depending on your answer, I will ask 3 known and trusted expert sources their independent opinion about this dish. If they are all three of the same opinion, it will be destroyed.

With kind regards, Jeff

Thx for the info Edwin 👍, Jeff

Thank you very much for your well meant reaction.

The ‘questionaire’ is to determine where the depiction of Januari scene came from, if possible from which  artist. I’m looking after the story (history) of the source of the plate, in this case “January”. Since all the factories used the same perforated templates for each of the months, there should be a source for each month- or zodiac plate of these series. As you know, see also link below to Robert Aronson for more explication.

Please give the source of your claim that these plates where exclusively made in blue and white, I don’t have the library resources nor have I acces to the orderbooks of the 18th century factories.

I know of at least two Polychrome plates without the denomination of the Month or Zodiac Sign which represent respectively May and June in these series:

https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/collection-ann-gordon-getty-wheatland-online/pair-dutch-delft-polychrome-plates-330/193324

Please use the links below for direct comparision:

https://www.aronson.com/delftware-plate-series/

https://www.aronson.com/object/d2062-set-of-twelve-months-plates/

With kind regards,

your friend,

Jeff

Thx, for your opinion, I have taken it into account of the description of the dish.

Best regards,

Jeff