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Fijtje . Leeusen Anno 1649???

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A dated blue and white Delft dish, border decorated with a trellis-pattern band and a small Yellow line rim, the center depicting in medaillon ‘The Sacrifice of Abraham’ (Aqedah or Binding of Isaac) and surrounded between 2 pairs of concentric circles the commemorative text:
‘. Fijtje . Leeusen . Van . B Roucker . ANNO . 1649 .’,
Delft, Unmarked, Ca. mid 17th century T.B.D*., D. 23,3cm – h. 3cm with three tiny stilt marks on the back, Consolidated very faint hairline (photo: contrast enhanced and color manipulated to make the hairline visible), Small chipping to the border, no restoration, UV checked.

Vraag

Fake or Real?

For comparision see:

https://am.adlibhosting.com/ais6v2/Details/museum/6414

The Washington Winter Show of January 8–10, 2016: (Both dishes have a Diameter of approx 31-32cm)
https://antiquesandthearts.com/the-washington-winter-showtradition-and-…
&
https://www.antiquesandthearts.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Washingto…

https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/nl/collectie/object/---9b50a1672744bb9d4662d…

Afmetingen
D. 23,3cm – h. 3cm
Collectie
publiekscollectie

Reacties 9

Unfortunately Fake. Origin ?

Kind regards,

 

Dear R.L.A. Maes (sorry ✌️) , thx for your quick answer and I do respect your opinion., I feel also there is something to the dish, but I’m not able to put my finger on it (the wound) .

For the readers:  (I forgot, my apology)

*TBD: “Te Be Determined.” (For age and origin Delft-Amsterdam-Rotterdam-Haarlem or France, whether it is a original, a 18/19th c. copy or a fake, etc.)

1. The reasons why I put the dish on the site is :

      a) I’m not shure if it is a fake or not (see certainly TBD* above and point 2 and 3 below), because it is really  a unusual dish and maybe worth preserving iwith the propper accurate labeling.

      b) The hairline is NOT consolidated but it safes me some money if it is a fake.

      c) Fakes I allways destroy, there is no going back.

Are you really for 100% shure and certain this is a Fake???

2. I was not able to find other examples of “pancake” dishes with a yellow border, nor or in combination with that particular trellis-pattern.

3. Other observations are:

a) the sharp drawinglines for example of Abraham’s clothes and the sheep’s horns.

b) the point on the letter ‘n’.

c)  the yellow line over (up on) the white tin-glazed-border (a majolica technique). see below.

d) the calligraphy is different and seems modern when compared with the other dishes given in the links above.

Detail 1Detail 2

4) At the moment for me, including the points mentioned above, I am not certain any of it is conclusive or proven. So R.L.A. Maes the question you are waiting for (knowing you, you have allready prepared one 😊): On what do you base your conclusion that this dish is a fake? Please elaborate and include controllable references, etc.

5) Depending on your answer, I will ask 3 known and trusted expert sources their independent opinion about this dish. If they are all three of the same opinion, it will be destroyed.

With kind regards, Jeff

Number and text is not a 17th-century writing style, regards jvdh.

Getal en tekst is geen 17e eeuwse schrijfwijze, groet jvdh.

Dear Jan, Thx for your opinion, indeed I saw that too as mentioned in point "3d" above, but my observation was written in the context that Delft decorators did use different writing-styles on 17th century faience depending what the cliënts and their budget asked of them to produce; the show pieces (eg. the Haarlem plates), the adapted show pieces or the more common ones etc., therefor it can not be used as a criteria to determine the age, see for example:

https://delftsaardewerk.nl/dadd/28460

https://delftsaardewerk.nl/dadd/15114

https://www.rm-auctions.com/auctions/european-ceramics-and-decorative-a…

https://www.endlich.nl/app/uploads/2019/01/TEFAF-2018-catalogus-john-en…

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Inktstel_met_de_wapens_van_Leid…

I have other arguments concerning the dish, but non are conclusive to determine the age or the origin, instead they produce more questions.

I wrote the auctioneer, maybe he knows something about the story of the dish via the former owner, I'm waiting for his answer, it might help.

Thx for the help and with kind regards, Jeff

 

Thx Edwin, very convincing, Where did you find it, Book , title? Internetsource? Where is it, private or museum collection?

I was not able to find it. Please let me know.

Grts, Jeff

Hello Jeff, The ORIGINAL Haarlem charger you can find in the Wadsworth Atheneum Museum of Art, Hartford Ct.  

Credit Line:

The Richard and Georgette A. Koopman Collection of Delft

Object ID:

2004.26.13

Dear Edwin,

Thx for sharing the information, my compliments! It is very helpfull!!!

If by any chance you know of other dishes with the same trellis-pattern decoration, can you place the link here?

Many Thx, 

Jeff